{"id":110,"date":"2006-12-04T10:57:23","date_gmt":"2006-12-04T17:57:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dubinko.info\/blog\/2006\/12\/04\/uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about\/"},"modified":"2006-12-04T11:03:10","modified_gmt":"2006-12-04T18:03:10","slug":"uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dubinko.info\/blog\/2006\/12\/uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about\/","title":{"rendered":"UC Berkeley &#8211; what I talked about"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Last week, I visited Erik Wilde, Bob Glushko, and students up at Cal. No major announcements, just some sharpening of discussion points.<\/p>\n<p>Since this was my first visit to Berkeley, I finally got to tell the joke &#8220;thank you for your OS&#8221;. Maybe you had to be there.<\/p>\n<p>The intentional web is a formalism for describing &#8220;why the font tag is evil&#8221;. I often work with 3rd party integration languages, and the markup design is, without exception, crap. 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