{"id":110,"date":"2006-12-04T10:57:23","date_gmt":"2006-12-04T17:57:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dubinko.info\/blog\/2006\/12\/04\/uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about\/"},"modified":"2006-12-04T11:03:10","modified_gmt":"2006-12-04T18:03:10","slug":"uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dubinko.info\/blog\/2006\/12\/uc-berkeley-what-i-talked-about\/","title":{"rendered":"UC Berkeley &#8211; what I talked about"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Last week, I visited Erik Wilde, Bob Glushko, and students up at Cal. No major announcements, just some sharpening of discussion points.<\/p>\n<p>Since this was my first visit to Berkeley, I finally got to tell the joke &#8220;thank you for your OS&#8221;. Maybe you had to be there.<\/p>\n<p>The intentional web is a formalism for describing &#8220;why the font tag is evil&#8221;. I often work with 3rd party integration languages, and the markup design is, without exception, crap. I hypothesize that the reason for this is jumping into solution-space before fully understanding problem-space. This seems to apply to lots more than just font tags; I lumped in WML and about half the world&#8217;s ajax sites for good measure.<\/p>\n<p>Microformats are a formalism for describing &#8220;why creating a new markup language for my CD collection&#8221; is evil. Could XForms have been done as a microformat? No, microformats require a strong intentional foundation language, and HTML forms ain&#8217;t it. Is the proposed W3C approach an instance of &#8220;a deadly two-pronged attack&#8221;, a la Yahoo! Photos + Flickr? We&#8217;ll see. It does seem like that road leads to a namespace apocalypse, highlighting the fundamental difficulty namespaces hoists on attempts to usably extend HTML and XHTML at the same time. A namespace apocalypse may not be a bad thing.<\/p>\n<p>On namespaces, I went over most of the points from my <a title=\"Cracks in the Foundation\" href=\"http:\/\/www.xml.com\/pub\/a\/2006\/11\/08\/cracks-in-the-foundation.html\">recent article<\/a>. I won&#8217;t rehash that here.<\/p>\n<p>What are some practical and implementation issues around XForms or the lack thereof? Focusing on mobile, as reason #1 I gave the lack of commercial-grade java browsers, <a href=\"https:\/\/dubinko.info\/blog\/2006\/11\/08\/somebody-correct-me-if-im-wrong\/\">discussed<\/a> here previously. The state of mobile browsers is appalling, other than Opera and S60. Terms like &#8220;model&#8221; and &#8220;field&#8221; are troublesome, because the confuse the problem domain (the real world) and the solution domain (the computer). Browser vendors have been too inwardly-focused, both now and during the first attempt at salvaging HTML forms, leading to a premature jump into solution-space. But perhaps XForms dwelled for too long in the problem space&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Maybe I&#8217;ve mellowed some, but increasingly I&#8217;m able to look at both sides of issues. A useful skill for Information School students, wouldn&#8217;t you agree? -m<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last week, I visited Erik Wilde, Bob Glushko, and students up at Cal. No major announcements, just some sharpening of discussion points. Since this was my first visit to Berkeley, I finally got to tell the joke &#8220;thank you for your OS&#8221;. Maybe you had to be there. 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