Comments on: Steorn and the three-body problem http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/ From an XML geek, a reader, a writer, a connector, a man of the people (says keep hope alive) Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:18:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David Rockeffellar http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4671 David Rockeffellar Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:55:21 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4671 @Rezza Debunker - Who are you and what is your agenda? @Rezza

Debunker – Who are you and what is your agenda?

]]> By: mdubinko http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4670 mdubinko Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:11:31 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4670 Nobody, You seem to have assumed (in the absence of any data) that I am only armchairing the situation and have not performed any experiments or research myself. I've been careful to avoid any mention of specifics of my involvement (or not), extending even to this comment! You've made a flawed leap of logic. The fundamental claim of Steorn is that there exists an Orbo interaction that "creates energy from magnetic interactions" and "can be engineered to power anything from a phone, to a fridge to a car". Hence, it is an engineering problem, one that will either work or not-work the same no matter the bias of the experimenter. If I thought that the wise thing to do was to wait and see, I would not have applied to be in the 300. -m Nobody,

You seem to have assumed (in the absence of any data) that I am only armchairing the situation and have not performed any experiments or research myself. I’ve been careful to avoid any mention of specifics of my involvement (or not), extending even to this comment! You’ve made a flawed leap of logic.

The fundamental claim of Steorn is that there exists an Orbo interaction that “creates energy from magnetic interactions” and “can be engineered to power anything from a phone, to a fridge to a car”. Hence, it is an engineering problem, one that will either work or not-work the same no matter the bias of the experimenter.

If I thought that the wise thing to do was to wait and see, I would not have applied to be in the 300.
-m

]]> By: Nobody http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4668 Nobody Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:00:45 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4668 Instead of speculating with your intellect as to the validity of the technology, which is arrogant by the way, why don't you build and test the design and see for yourself, since you said they released specific details? Those details therefore are not in any way related to the jury's failure and the failed demonstration. With that said, I would be inclined to say that given your negative bias, I would not trust anything you would build because those who would build it with the goal to making it work will likely discover the reason Orbo works and witness the effect. The opposite is true, if you build it with the goal of ensuring it doesn't work, you will simply be deluding yourself and others into presenting your speculation as fact. My point here is that the wise thing to do is to wait and see, but instead you have mouthed off with a hint of disrespect. For that, your statements are discreditable. Instead of speculating with your intellect as to the validity of the technology, which is arrogant by the way, why don’t you build and test the design and see for yourself, since you said they released specific details? Those details therefore are not in any way related to the jury’s failure and the failed demonstration.

With that said, I would be inclined to say that given your negative bias, I would not trust anything you would build because those who would build it with the goal to making it work will likely discover the reason Orbo works and witness the effect. The opposite is true, if you build it with the goal of ensuring it doesn’t work, you will simply be deluding yourself and others into presenting your speculation as fact.

My point here is that the wise thing to do is to wait and see, but instead you have mouthed off with a hint of disrespect. For that, your statements are discreditable.

]]> By: Rezza http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4662 Rezza Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:22:22 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4662 The whole garbled module was extensive enough to conceal measurement errors, but now that it is over and the result (for the majority of less than 300)is that there is no OU what will Steorn do next? They are under pressure to release a new statement before the end of 2009 to counter the fact that they dont have an ORBO to release. The next claim Steorn will most likely be that they have the original working model from the ATM machine that showed OU in the first place so many years ago. Maybe a promised demo of that in 2010/2011 should keep the pressure off them until then. I mean what other plausible reason will be good enough for the few believers left when nothing happens by the end of 2009? The whole garbled module was extensive enough to conceal measurement errors, but now that it is over and the result (for the majority of less than 300)is that there is no OU what will Steorn do next? They are under pressure to release a new statement before the end of 2009 to counter the fact that they dont have an ORBO to release.

The next claim Steorn will most likely be that they have the original working model from the ATM machine that showed OU in the first place so many years ago. Maybe a promised demo of that in 2010/2011 should keep the pressure off them until then. I mean what other plausible reason will be good enough for the few believers left when nothing happens by the end of 2009?

]]> By: mdubinko http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4661 mdubinko Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:53:41 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4661 You could take it either way. Optimistically, it's real and tricky enough that nobody has noticed it before now. Pessimistically, that these guys are chasing shadows. -m You could take it either way. Optimistically, it’s real and tricky enough that nobody has noticed it before now. Pessimistically, that these guys are chasing shadows. -m

]]> By: Propagnada http://dubinko.info/blog/2009/08/27/steorn-and-the-three-body-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-4660 Propagnada Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:59:43 +0000 http://dubinko.info/blog/?p=633#comment-4660 So it still could very easily be a measurement error then? Just not a an easily perceived one. But, is at least something new? That seemed to be what you were implying, but always best to ask. So it still could very easily be a measurement error then? Just not a an easily perceived one. But, is at least something new? That seemed to be what you were implying, but always best to ask.

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